View Full Version : OK 5.0 guys wtf?
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 06:40 PM
Let me start off by saying that i know not all 5.0 guys are dicks but lately I've been running into alot of them here in sacramento that are. I blew the doors off one guy with a clean 5.0 and he followed me to the gas station and started talking shit to me claiming i had nitrous and said no 4.6 had ever pulled on him like that :FU: . I tried to tell him that i just had basic bolt ons and didnt even have gears.
I smoked another guy on the way home on the freeway today pulled on him HARD :rockon: and after i slowed down he gave me a flyby and fliped me off WTF? theese are just a few examples of what type of 5.0 guys I've ran into. Very few are cool and it seems like they think they are better then me because I got a mod motor but yet they cant beat me.
Dont get me wrong I love 5.0s and Iam hoping to own one someday Iam just asking what is up with you guys? Cant anyone loose with some style. hell i do.
Onesmokin98
09-05-07, 06:47 PM
Its becasue they are the older "real" muscle cars guys...they think that because they have the 5.0 and we run the mod motor they are better.
Just remind them that you whooped thier ass and leave it at that...ive fucked up many older foxes, and ive come across many foxes that I wouldnt even dare to line up on. its all relative
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 06:50 PM
I think alot of them are running against npi 4.6s and dont know there is a difference between 96-98 4.6s and 99-04s.
cruisemissile
09-05-07, 06:53 PM
I think alot of them are running against npi 4.6s and dont know there is a difference between 96-98 4.6s and 99-04s.
That's what I was thinking.
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 07:07 PM
where are the 5.0 guys? I want to hear what they have to say.
Onesmokin98
09-05-07, 07:10 PM
haha. there arent many on here, of course now with all these new people we might have some more
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 07:34 PM
ok. lets get some 5.0 ass whoopen stories then.
MHarvey
09-05-07, 07:34 PM
I'm a 5.0 guy. I was actually almost a DOHC 4.6 in a fox guy until I saw how much parts cost for those damn things. When I end up with a motor that costs $600 in gaskets to rebuild, you'll know I hit the lottery, lol. I've got alot of friends here that run mod motors, as we had a major hail storm in 1998 that wiped out most of the fox body cars. It's actually a unique thing for me to see a 93 and down car here. I'm just a Mustang fan in general, and if I were to go to another Mustang right now, and could afford it, I'd be in a 03-04 Cobra or Mach One. I don't really understand the 5.0 guys being dicks, but it happens around here as well when we have track days and stuff. There are a few out of town guys that come in and act like assholes at the track and think when they've outrun one local car down the track, they've beat the fastest we have to offer. I'm too old to play games like that anymore, so I mostly just laugh them off and go on about my business.
MHarvey
09-05-07, 07:40 PM
We do have at least 2 local 4.6 guys that are constantly aggravating the crap out of everybody, one is a 2001 PI car, that runs 13.50's in the 1/4, the other is a non PI 1996 or so with a HUGE hood scoop like you used to see on the old pro stock cars (big forward facing open front deal) that I saw run a 13.60 on nitrous. I used to see them out alot last summer, and I had my little stock bottom end 302, Edelbrock Performer RPM heads, E303 cam, with a Weiand Stealth and 650 blowthrough carb setup with a Precision PT70 turbo. I drove it to the track and all over town, it was really docile and ran a best of 10.47 @ 134 mph. That was on 15 psi with an auto trans (c4 with no transbrake) and a 3.08:1 rear gear. I work for the Fire Dept. though, and a street racing ticket is a career ender, so I keep the racing on the track and let the dumbass' hammer off from the lights on the public roads all by themselves.
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 07:44 PM
We have alot of dickhead 5.0 guys here in sacramento not just a few. mid
10s is insane on a stock bottom end
Onesmokin98
09-05-07, 07:51 PM
who knows, why does it matter anywayz, its a mustang...just give them a thumbs up and haul ass
darkside03gt
09-05-07, 07:52 PM
it matters to me because they are pissing me off and i wanted to see if i could start some shit between the 4.6 and 5.0 guys
nate9868
09-05-07, 08:05 PM
who knows, why does it matter anywayz, its a mustang...just give them a thumbs up and haul ass
My thoughts exactly. I know my notch is a turd, if a mod gets the edge on me its no biggie.
crimsonblack
09-05-07, 08:22 PM
Aren't Mustang guys suppose to brag and beat the shit out of Chevy guys? If your out racing other Mustangs you ain't really a mustang guy. Just a Chevy guy in a Ford. I have seen as many asshole 4.6 and 3.8 fucks as 5.0 bastards. The engine and car don't matter, they were fuckers before they got the car.
I have a 5.0. Why...? Because I like the gox body and... the 5.0 came in the car that year. If I had bought a 96 to 04 I would have gotten a 4.6 and been a 4.6 guy. The guy that bought the 94/95 newer style with the 5.0 must really be one fucked up dude. LOL
jack90gt
09-05-07, 08:28 PM
I have a 90 gt and where i live it is usally the other way around. The newer stangs are the ones who act like dicks. But the way i look at it is i beat you or you beat me atleast it was by a stang and not a slomaro. But i have respect for all stangs regardless of what motor or shape or anything. You drive a stang then you are cool with me. Just my .02 worth
MHarvey
09-05-07, 08:33 PM
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10s is insane on a stock bottom end[/QUOTE]
Yep, it lasted for 2 years that way, then one night at the track, I heard some rattling at the top end, and before I could lift, I bent 3 rods. Rebuilt another one though, using another stock bottom end that a buddy had, and ran that one until I sold it. They're decently strong if the tune is good and you don't beat on them every time you turn the key. I averaged about 70-80 passes a year on it though, so I didn't cut it alot of slack.
Dark Kent
09-05-07, 08:33 PM
There is always a faster car out there somewhere. Some people do take serious pride in having a NA car. I always have nothing but good experience with 5.0 guys.
I always get shit from the GT guys. They give me that "psssh v6" look.
4, 6, 0r 8 cylinders I like all the stangs I see for the most part.
I just hate when people think they have the one and only stang in town.
OH shit this is another one. If I'm in front of or behind another stang in traffic I can see them watching me the whole time cuz I'm looking at them too. Then when we get next to each other they wont even look over.
Stuck up GT dudes.
MHarvey
09-05-07, 08:59 PM
I completely agree with you, on the faster car deal. I had a buddy that had a built 91 notch, 347 with A4 block, mega dollar deal with a big Vortech that he street drove from time to time. It ran 9.40's in the 1/4 and people couldn't figure out why he didn't want to street race. You couldn't make them understand how that could easily get loose on the street and hurt or kill anybody even close. He still had people always trying to mess with him when he drove it. Used to piss him off so bad that it made him not even want to get out and drive around.
Hey now, I'm a 5.0 guy and I respect anything worthy of respect. Import, domestic, truck, suv. Whatever it is, if it is TASTEFULLY modified, I will give it respect. It doesn't matter to me. I am not so crazy about Camaros. Nice ones do get respect though. I like any Mustang. 4 cylinder Stangs I don't like too much unless SVO. V6 cars and 5.0 and 4.6 all deserve due respect in addition to well modified 4 bangers. Well, I feel like I'm being redundant now, so... *nuff said* LoL.
I got rid of my very modded 99 gt for the 347 powered coupe that you see in my avatar. Don't get me wrong, I liked my 99. It cost me alot of money and it still wasn't fast enough for me. Naturally aspirated my coupe goes almost a second faster than my 99 did on nitrous.
Dark Kent
09-05-07, 09:48 PM
I wont street race... but I will push it bit till I get a bit over the speed limit.
Sometimes just to piss off somebody. I had a GTO guy giving me the look the other day. I know he had 400 under the hood. I lose...no brainer.
But I hit him at the light. I must've struck a nerve cuz he went well over the 45mph to pass me and everybody else.
With great power comes great responsibility.
i smoked a 5.0 yesterday at the track. was a good runningcar maybea few bolt ons but the guy was cool about it.
EXKB2000GT
09-05-07, 11:30 PM
I smoked another guy on the way home on the freeway today pulled on him HARD :rockon:
That's your problem right there bro and it sounds like a personal one at that!!
Shaffe said to try loosening your grip!!!!!!:gay:
GodFather
09-05-07, 11:42 PM
:lol:
Onesmokin98
09-06-07, 12:08 AM
I wouldnt mind a GTO..nice 400hp N/A motor...that would be nice
MHarvey
09-06-07, 06:54 AM
I do like the LS1 cars. There's a big folllowing around here with them right now, as a local shop is specializing in them. They've got a couple of very fast naturally aspirated Camaro's running around. I know of one that is in the high 10's on motor and you'd never know it by pulling up next to it. The guy's really cool though and the car is nice, even though I'm not the biggest Camaro fan. Surprisingly though, not too many GTO's around. I guess that's what happens when you live in the city where they build the Corvette. The new ZO6's LS7 is an unbelievable motor, 505 horsepower, 23 mpg on the highway naturally aspirated.
Dark Kent
09-06-07, 07:55 AM
I just think that a lot of the time... If your a type A kind of person you gotta be out front all the time and they could be in a yugo. If that bitch got a top speed of 90mph guess what? That asshole will be doing 90 in a 45. Just to make sure they are out front.
But how many times has this happened to you and dont lie fuckers.
You are just cruising then you look in the rearview and see another "muscle/rice car" in the distance. They slow down when they get close... then pass you with that "come get some look". So you go get some.
You don't race... but you dont let them get away. I WILL do that.
Then if I see em being reckless I back off. But I know they get pissed.
I love that shit.
old school snake
09-06-07, 08:51 AM
man my wife has a mod,and i drive a 86 coupe 5.0,but if she kicked my ass its all good she just drove better,but most guysdriving5.0's are youngsters who think there in a 9-sec car,but really a 15-sec car so when you drive right by they think shit theres no way so they are pissed,but if whoop an old school mustang guy who really loves them it don't matter what motor you have as long as its a mustang.i love all of them,and my wifes car with the mod motor rips to be stock with only a k&n filter.live on all mustangs!
lol, it takes one to catch one! i'd rather get beat by a stang than a crapmaro anyday. me, i'm a diehard 5.0 guy. thats all i've had (on my 14th stang, btw). i wouldn't have gotten pissed about a mod beating me, i would have just wanted to know what was done to the car and it would give me incentive to make mine faster. when i lived out in texas with my 95 vert, it was mostly crotch rockets wanting to race me on the highway. back here in nc, only race i've gotten into since i moved back was with a viper and i pulled on him about half a car and he gave me the finger as he blasted past when i slowed to take my turn. nobody else around here will even try for some reason. guess thats what turn downs with an off road pipe will do for ya!
treman03
09-06-07, 02:48 PM
Just wave at them and keep going..:hi:
Onesmokin98
09-06-07, 05:07 PM
^best advice all thread
darkside03gt
09-06-07, 06:06 PM
its nothing personell I just wanted to see what everyone had to say and I'll say it again I have nothing against 5.0s I just want to know if some of them think they are better then everyone else because thats what i'm seeing here in sacramento.
ANYONE that has a car with balls is guilty of street racing in one form or another some people just wont admit it though.
i like all mustangs but i have a 5.0 and so far never lost to a 4.6 gt or cobra:hit:
I'm very biased when it comes to mustangs. but its the body style not what motor is in it. hell, I'd love to have a mod motor out of a 03/04 cobra in mine. I'm biased to the four eyed cars as mine is an 86 and it will forever stay a four eye and never be converted to an aero.
SHOmeyours
09-06-07, 09:48 PM
I have beat a couple of lightly modded 5.0s. Most off them where cool about it. There was one guy who was kind of a dick about it. I have always had more trouble when i have raced and beat the M3's now those guys really take getting beat by a ford taurus personaly.
smackattack
09-07-07, 10:40 AM
I've got a 5.0 car and two 4.6 cars....I personally like the 5.0 to race with and the 4.6 cars to cruise with...but when it boils down to it I'm a pushrod man...thats all it is to it. Look at what a 5.0 and a 4.6 with the same mods run..any questions.
seabiscut
09-07-07, 11:15 AM
im from miami and ima young fox body owner and i love every mustang from 64 1/2 down to the present mustangs, but down here its the other way around. i cant stand all these assholes in there fucken 4.6's they think there the shit and they piss me off so i have to go and put a wooping on 'em.they shouldnt even own mustangs they should own crappy chevy's. and down here u dont see much fox bodies anymore all you see is these newer mustangs.
91GT347
09-07-07, 11:16 AM
I have to agree with Crimson. They were dicks before they got the car. I think most people that down the 4.6 is because of its limits N/A. Just like smack attack said. It seems to be a trend Ive noticed for years. Back in the late 80's early 90's when I really got into street racing and most late model cars were pretty much stock. I drove camaro's. Why ? Because the 5.0 was a much faster car(straight line),than a camaro. Then it seemed everyone with a 5.0 was a cocky little bitch that thought nothing was faster than him. Then in 93 the LT1's came out and it was just the opposite. back and forth. I race a 5.0 now and theyre all askin"What ya got done". If I race a Camaro theyre dicks. Typically people will hate anything different from what they have
thats normally true. also maybe the 5.0 guys are dicks becasue you haves omething newer then they do.
biscoiv
09-07-07, 01:25 PM
Aren't Mustang guys suppose to brag and beat the shit out of Chevy guys? If your out racing other Mustangs you ain't really a mustang guy. Just a Chevy guy in a Ford. I have seen as many asshole 4.6 and 3.8 fucks as 5.0 bastards. The engine and car don't matter, they were fuckers before they got the car.
I have a 5.0. Why...? Because I like the gox body and... the 5.0 came in the car that year. If I had bought a 96 to 04 I would have gotten a 4.6 and been a 4.6 guy. The guy that bought the 94/95 newer style with the 5.0 must really be one fucked up dude. LOL
i couldn't agree more
smackattack
09-07-07, 03:09 PM
Well....it doesn't matter...I know some 4.6 guys that are dicks and some 5.0 guys that are dicks....either way they're probably dick's about everything in life besides what motor is in their mustang. Me personally....it doesn't bother me for someone to have a newer ride...thats fine...I know I have two to go to the track with and three to cruise with....if i'm out cruising or at a lot somewhere and someone talks shit...I just put i'm going to run home and get my other black stang....It's nice have all black cars!!!
already7
09-07-07, 03:38 PM
I have an 89 5.0 and I am not a dick.:smiley10:
There are dickheads around the world and in every place imaginable. In fact they are making new ones everyday!!!:pissed:
I always say "fuck em and feed em a fish leg".
Tell them to go home and cry on Momma's shoulder, or buy some more shit and try again...:cry:
darkside03gt
09-07-07, 05:14 PM
just because you like to race/compete and you end up racing another mustang doesnt make you a chevy guy. thats one of the dumbest things ive ever seen posted.
old school snake
09-07-07, 05:35 PM
funny post last night rode to town in the coupe,i know it runs 11.20 on the bottle.well caught a kid in a 03 cobra thought i'd piss him off by putting a few lengths on him,but much to my surprise he was loaded with like a 2" pulley 50lb squirters,4.11 gears,and last but surely not least a 150 shot of juice so needless to say i learned a lesson after he left sideways let me get out about 3,and he shifted and came by me sideways through 2nd gear i was shifting at 7000 on stock bottom end spraying all 150 hp of bottle.all i could do is shake my head in shame then pulled him over to see what the hell he had under the hood,and that made me feel a little better.rock on
darkside03gt
09-07-07, 05:39 PM
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats insane there are a few bad ass cobras here in sac I watched one smoke a new zo6
yea you gotta watch out when you think you will hand someones ass to them. you never know waht they may be packing under the hood
already7
09-07-07, 08:30 PM
yea you gotta watch out when you think you will hand someones ass to them. you never know waht they may be packing under the hood
Truer words have never been spoken!:thumbsup:
I have seen more than a few people get spanked by another ride that they thought was slow or would be an easy kill...:cry:
jack90gt
09-07-07, 10:01 PM
Man i see that crap all the time here. That is why you never underestimate somebody.... I know i don't
MR SHELBY
09-08-07, 10:42 AM
:rockon: I feel the need to agree with the person who said we are all stangbangers why fight between ourselves when there are all those asshole ricers and fucking mullet wearing clamaro and trans am drivers to make bitchs! I have owned A fucking sweet 1998 GT and now own A 2005 shelby #006 of 8 produced that year and hope to own a fox body someday! motors are less to build. that being said I enjoy the fact that my mod motored cars spanked GM products that I handed nearly A liter of displacement! I regularly see this one douchebag in A WS6 T/A that I spanked so bad that he wont even look at me now. I can't get joe dirt in his "bitchin camaro" to play either! Look I saw this same stuff happen back when riding Harleys in another life, different clubs feuding, I ride A panhead and you ride A sportster who fucking cares! We all rode to where we were right! We are all smart enough to know that there is more aftermarket support for our Mustangs than any GM shit built after 1957! Can't we all just get along!! MR SHELBY!
jack90gt
09-08-07, 12:55 PM
Man you hit the nail on the head
old school snake
09-08-07, 05:33 PM
hell yeah that shelby is bad ass,too rich for me i'll stick with my pushrod 5.0,but like i said before i love anything ford made with a v8 especially a mustang.chevy's have always been out there talking shit with a whole other liter,but are pissed when a stang puts bus lengths on them.3 out of 4 pinks have been won by mustangs,and one by ford truck 1 out of 5 won by chevy.whos chasing who's tail lghts?
jack90gt
09-08-07, 05:49 PM
Damn that is pretty in depth man
cheath02GT
09-08-07, 07:31 PM
Ive driven both cars w/ both motors, and I dont think theres much difference other than the price of parts for the 4.6 ($799 for a damn intake). Ive pulled hard on 5.0's and 4.6's and have had both pull hard on me. Its all about prefernce. I say we worry about blowin rice and chevys away first.
jack90gt
09-08-07, 07:33 PM
I agree 100% with you
SilverNotch
09-08-07, 08:40 PM
Ive driven both cars w/ both motors, and I dont think theres much difference other than the price of parts for the 4.6 ($799 for a damn intake). Ive pulled hard on 5.0's and 4.6's and have had both pull hard on me. Its all about prefernce. I say we worry about blowin rice and chevys away first.
You speak the solid truth. I'm a 5.0 guy, but I'll be honest, I couldn't give a damn if someone beats my car or not. My car runs good, but it's no 10 second beast. It's just a simple Notch. When my son and I cruise we comment on all the Mustangs, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and all the 4.6 cars. He's five and knows them all as Mustangs. One big happy family of awesome cars. :cheers:
jack90gt
09-08-07, 08:46 PM
My 4 yr old son does the same thing
crimsonblack
09-08-07, 09:22 PM
You're a poet and ya know it Mr. Shelby.
My 25hp LX vert isn't beating anyone. But it sure is sweet rollin' down the street. LMAO
Dark Kent
09-08-07, 10:01 PM
You're a poet and ya know it Mr. Shelby.
My 25hp LX vert isn't beating anyone. But it sure is sweet rollin' down the street. LMAO
Ditto bro... until Friday...turbo should be done by then. :rockon:
I own both of em....and I love em both. But each have their own qualities. A Fox/5.0L has ALOT more torque whereas a Modular (well 2v) doesnt have that lowdown torque that I love outta a 5.0. But the 2v pulls so clean, making steady power.
Its hit or miss and all what ya like but I love em both. I LOVE racing a 2v and am cool, good sport bout racin em. Unless they are douchebags, thne I set em in their place.
Ive driven both cars w/ both motors, and I dont think theres much difference other than the price of parts for the 4.6 ($799 for a damn intake). Ive pulled hard on 5.0's and 4.6's and have had both pull hard on me. Its all about prefernce. I say we worry about blowin rice and chevys away first.
perfectly said. all though there are certain times when Ford Chevy And Dodge must abnd together against Rice!
already7
09-09-07, 01:24 PM
Very well said Shaffe! Kill the Rice first, then a little friendly racing among ourselves should be in order!!!
Win, lose, or draw, I just like to run them a little. I don't have a fast car at all, but if you rev your engine up beside me, someone is going to lose. Whether it's me or you, it makes no difference to me.
well said as well^ ot dpesnt matter whos faster, theres always someone faster out there
cursed99cobra
09-09-07, 08:12 PM
You'll find ass-wipes in any generation. I currently run a 88 Saleen, so I'm a 5.0 guy again. I had a 99 Cobra with an 03 Mach1 crate motor (after I nuked the stock 4V), so I have been on that side as well. Two quick stories to illustrate...
1. My buddy and I are driving to his house. I'm in my Saleen, he is in his 88 LX. Now mind you, this is the LX featured in the Oct 07 issue of MM&FF as "Blues Traveler". It's sporting an 01 Cobra motor. So we are on the way to his house, and a S197 V6 Stang pulls up beside him at the light. The guy starts revving on him. We can only only assume he thought it was a stock 5.0. The light changes and the V6 is quickly embarrassed. With his current setup, a stock S197 Mustang GT would not beat him. I guess this guy was looking for self fulfillment by whooping on an old POS Stang.
2. On the way home last weekend, a guy with an 99-04 GT "Cobra R Clone", tried to cut me off (I had the right of way) for several seconds. He had a blower (very noticeable sound) and figured my old Fox body was garbage compared to his newer ride. He didn't have enough merge lane to make it, but WTF! That's something I would expect from a young ricer or asshole bow tie owner. Not one of our own.
Anyway, I guess it's the driver and not the car they are in. I'll give a nod to a V6 Stang or Honda if they wax my ass on the track. Better is better.
Nobody likes to lose a race is what it really comes down to. The type of car didn't make them a dick; they just are. I keep having a battle at the track with my buddies 03 Cobra as it depends on who installed the latest part as to whom is faster. Right now I got him by a couple cars but he has something up his sleeve. He has more power but more weight. I can swap a nitrous jet faster than he can swap a pulley and a tune is my one advantage. That one is fading though as he is getting good at that even between rounds.
Stang94X
09-12-07, 03:02 AM
i love all mustangs, 6 or 8, granted i will never own a 6cyl., but they are still mustangs so therefor respectable, as for me being a 5.0 guy they can make some great power and be really fast but so can 4.6 cars, hell i was beat the other day by a mach1 and all i wanted to do after he beat me was know what he had done to the car, there are the same amount of assholes that have a 4.6 as there are who have a 5.0, there was an ass in a 2000 somethin Saleen last week that i raced, i pulled from him off the light quite a bit and in the distance he got me by half a car, at the next light he looks over and says "you must have a fortune in your car" i look back and was like "naw just under 10 grand....including the car itself", what an douch, he didnt even say nice race or anything
hahaha man some people can jsut be dicks
Hell I'm a 5.0 guy, and I love it. I guess everyone has had bad experiences with everyone, weather it be hondas, mustangs, vettes, whatever. Just keep on racing, thats all you can do...
quickstang2001
09-14-07, 06:11 PM
i used to own an '82 capri 5.0 and an'85 mustang gt 5.0 ive always been a 5.0 guy but after getting my '01 gt i realize that the 4.6 isnt faster stock tahn the other 2 but it sticks better. It has a better top end but the 5.0 had better low end. I wont lie i've been beaten by a 4.6 in my 5.0 gt and i dont like losing but u gotta bitch up and take it like a man and realize u dont have the faster car or maybe arent the better driver.
if i lose i really dont care, so waht its a loss it happens. theres always a faster car out there.
quickstang2001
09-14-07, 08:19 PM
good point there is always a faster car out there
But don't we all want to be that "faster car"? I do. But right now I have a baby on the way so the mustang modding has to stop for a little while... My son is WAY more important. I cant wait til we can work on it together...
quickstang2001
09-14-07, 08:47 PM
well said and congrats on the kid
quickstang2001
09-14-07, 08:47 PM
i know i want to be that faster car
91stang
09-14-07, 08:49 PM
a lot of younger kids in 5.0's think they are invincible and have that asshole mentality
bmwtech3
09-14-07, 09:24 PM
ha ha so do alot of ricers with turbo evos and stis so it is what it is
82capri5.0
09-15-07, 05:05 PM
being a 5.0 guy i hate losing, but rather it be to a 4.6 stang than a pos chevy!!!!
bmwtech3
09-15-07, 05:10 PM
ha ha yea i feel ya well you thinnk thats some shit i seen a fox body notch back with an ls1 motor in it as bad as i hate to say that damn car was quick
Fact is there is assholes no matter what they roll in. :later:
i really havent encountered any 5.0 guys who give me a hard time or act like an ass, however, i have older people telling me all the time that a stock 5.0 has more power than my 4.6...............which constantly amazes me, apparently these people think that after even 12 years of the 4.6 being in a mustang ford still hasnt made any improvements to it....
01LaserRed2v
09-18-07, 03:21 PM
I run into some of them here in Austin, TX. We had a mustang car meet( about 100 stangs) and the 5.0 guys excluded them selves from the group, so I went over to say what’s up to a nice 94 GT( it was so clean). I asked him what he has done (in a nice way) and what he had and he said "Enough to beat you I bet", I was so dam shocked because he was not kidding at all when he said this. Then I got a little defensive and asked how did he come to that conclusion? He then replied with his comment “well I saw you in you 4.6 and it looks pretty stock so......" ( my car looks bone stock except for the wheels and the 315's DR) Then he said also because I have this :blah: blah blah blah. He ended up saying he puts down like 350ish. I said wow I think I might be able to put up a good fight if we ran them( knowing dam well I would have waxed his a$$ since I’m about 2x his HP w/ the supercharger and on the bottle). He said he wouldn’t want to waste his gas. (Yet again dam shocked this guy would say this) So I replied “alright man have a good one, just came by to say nice car” then I walked away with pride knowing I was being the bigger man. That really pissed me off :pissedoff though, the guy had to be in his mid thirties. Oh well though, I hope I run into him again and he wants to play next time.:guns:
BlackCobra97
09-26-07, 08:47 PM
5.0 guys tend to be a step behind the 4.6 guys but hey after owning 6 5.0's i finally stepped up to DOHC 4.6 and would never go back.....give them time they'll come around someday and get a mod motor.
BlackCobra97
09-26-07, 08:49 PM
But you def cant beat the bang for the buck with those 5.0's....the mod motors can be awfully pricey when dealing with big problems.
4.6's are elite compared to the technology in the 5.0. that's why the prices are higher
Tooloud
10-19-07, 11:36 PM
Not to take one side or the other, having been a 5.0 guy to begin with (still a special place in my heart for the foxes), and now driving a PI 4.6, but it seems like the 5.0 guys take more pride in their mods (aka, maybe a little over-estimating) whereas the mod motor guys take what we have for granted (aka, power comes easily, so pick on the slower guys). Maybe it's time to concede each generations niche, but keep in mind the other's frustrations.
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-19-07, 11:50 PM
Dont get me wrong I love 5.0s and Iam hoping to own one someday Iam just asking what is up with you guys? Cant anyone loose with some style. hell i do.
ok thats like two people that have been dicks to you...try not to lump us all intogether cuz theres about 800 thousand more of us 5.0 owners you havent met...jus sayin man ive been beat and ive won...and i take a loss jus as good as i do a win, im sorry about your bad experiences but seriously, theres more good then bad bro...
by the way ive beat a few young 5.0 guys and they were dicks to me, i dont think the mod motor is it at all, you jus ran into...a dick...
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-20-07, 12:53 AM
5.0 guys tend to be a step behind the 4.6 guys but hey after owning 6 5.0's i finally stepped up to DOHC 4.6 and would never go back.....give them time they'll come around someday and get a mod motor.
i will always own a fox always...it it will always be pushrod...always...and that does not put me a step behind you,
dissin 5.0 is a touchy subject...thats jus me tho
Thats good your happy with you 4.6 tho! SWEET man! Enjoy :headbang:
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-22-07, 01:38 AM
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darkside03gt
10-22-07, 01:34 PM
ok thats like two people that have been dicks to you...try not to lump us all intogether cuz theres about 800 thousand more of us 5.0 owners you havent met...jus sayin man ive been beat and ive won...and i take a loss jus as good as i do a win, im sorry about your bad experiences but seriously, theres more good then bad bro...
by the way ive beat a few young 5.0 guys and they were dicks to me, i dont think the mod motor is it at all, you jus ran into...a dick...
No I have delt with more then a few 5.0 guys that were dicks and it always seems to spawn from the fact that I have a 4.6. All I am doing whith this thread is seeing what some of you guys have to say. If some of you really feel that the 5.0 is that superior. And it seems like I get more attitude from 5.0 guys then others thats all. I also know I havent met every 5.0 guy out there.
i will always own a fox always...it it will always be pushrod...always...and that does not put me a step behind you,
dissin 5.0 is a touchy subject...thats jus me tho
Thats good your happy with you 4.6 tho! SWEET man! Enjoy :headbang:
A better way to have put it is that pushrods are older technology than overhead cams. Which is true but you can make great power both ways. Just depends what your goals are. I race a pushrod motor as they are cheaper to get parts for and easier to tear apart quickly. For a street car that I occassionally take to the strip a mod motor would be a great choice. Sure you can build a mod to be faster than a pushrod but you have more moving parts; hence more that can fail.
Not saying either option is not reliable; just cheaper when the pushrod motor fails.
The newer stangs have much nicer interiors and are much stiffer so they are the clear winner if you daily drive your car. My old fox used to be a daily driver a long time ago but it was never anything close to as nice as the newer versions.
id say you just ran into a dick. most mustang guys are pretty cool. ive only had one mustang guy that was a dick, he had an 03 GT, we went fromabout a 40MPH roll. i lost, his car was faster, so i gave him the thumbs up, and he kept wanting to go again. and when i shook his head know he flipped me off and took off
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-22-07, 04:29 PM
A better way to have put it is that pushrods are older technology than overhead cams. Which is true but you can make great power both ways. Just depends what your goals are. I race a pushrod motor as they are cheaper to get parts for and easier to tear apart quickly. For a street car that I occassionally take to the strip a mod motor would be a great choice. Sure you can build a mod to be faster than a pushrod but you have more moving parts; hence more that can fail.
Not saying either option is not reliable; just cheaper when the pushrod motor fails.
The newer stangs have much nicer interiors and are much stiffer so they are the clear winner if you daily drive your car. My old fox used to be a daily driver a long time ago but it was never anything close to as nice as the newer versions.
my 1990 has been my daily driver since 2004 :) as of right now she has rolled 175,097 and never been apart except to put a cam in :) im sorry man i jus love foxes. i like the sn-95 and new edge and s-197s too!!! But i dont have any near plans to own one :) Have 5 foxes and a 6th is a few weeks away! :) i didnt mean to get an attitude...if you got that from me then i do apologize, but please, please, lets keep the 5.0 ragging to a minimum :) hahaha :headbang: :thumbsup:
As I said I drove my fox daily for many years. They are great cars but for a daily driver I want more comfort these days since I sit in traffic. As I modified my car it strayed from being daily driver streetable. I still take it out on the street now but I won't drive it across country like I used to (a C4 with a manual valve body, 5000rpm stall and single chambers will encourage not driving cross country). I have driven newer stangs distance and they are more comfortable for the long haul then my fox ever was. Do you need all the features? No; but they make the ride more enjoyable. I'm just giving the respect the newer cars deserve as the are an improvement of the old cars. That is the idea after all. One thing they don't have is a unique look.
When I first saw an SN-95 I couldn't help but feel let down a little. It was 1994 and I was considering getting rid of my 89 for a newer Stang. Then I saw them and couldn't help but think that the styling had been done before. The interiors were nice but the cars looked as heavy as they were.
We had just come from a time where the 1979 Mustang looked like no other Mustang before it and now we were taking a step back with the styling (which we have continued to see). As I said the new cars drive and look great but they aren't leaps forward in styling.
So to sum this speech up. I love Fox Stangs because they have the most unique styling.
ford9050
10-22-07, 07:35 PM
5.0's own all gay modulars.
08 Motorsport catalog has a pushrod conversion
j/k guys
SlickStang
10-22-07, 10:04 PM
I've got a 5.0 car and two 4.6 cars....I personally like the 5.0 to race with and the 4.6 cars to cruise with...but when it boils down to it I'm a pushrod man...thats all it is to it. Look at what a 5.0 and a 4.6 with the same mods run..any questions.
+1 on that. I am the same way. I got both and I love them both. My Foxy is my speed racer and my 4.6 is my cruiser. My BF is a pushrod man and we do a lot of things to the fox. It gets alot more attention then the modular & when we see our modular friends they are always giving me shit about neglecting the 4.6. I'm always like WTF I have 2 Mustangs isn't that good enough? Do they both have to be FAST? I would say both 5.0 and 4.6 guys can be dicks though. We were at a car show this summer and this 5.0 guy came off to us real cocky. He was talkin' all kind of shit. Then he realized we had 2 5.0's that were modded and we were there w/ our friend that made 5.0 King of the Street! He got humble real quick. It was kinda funny to me.
lugthug713
10-23-07, 09:56 AM
I had a stock 03GT, and also a modded 95 5.0 and the 03 GT was still faster then my 5.0. The newer 4.6 mod motors are great. 5.0 are out dated. I wish I still had my 281c.i.
I like over head cam motors as apose to push rod, but push rod parts are cheaper
darkhorse88
10-23-07, 10:19 AM
i just think it depends on the driver i have experienced bad attitudes out of both of them. so i just wish we could all get along.
I had a stock 03GT, and also a modded 95 5.0 and the 03 GT was still faster then my 5.0. The newer 4.6 mod motors are great. 5.0 are out dated. I wish I still had my 281c.i.
I like over head cam motors as apose to push rod, but push rod parts are cheaper
Bone stock a 99 and newer would be fatser than an older 5.0. I am a modifier so dollar for dollar I'll achieve a given horsepower goal cheaper and quicker with an old pushrod. I may have to install more parts but the end goal is power for the dollar for me.
SilverNotch
10-23-07, 08:51 PM
Wow, this post is still going...:rolleyes:
ford9050
10-23-07, 09:00 PM
Bone stock a 99 and newer would be fatser than an older 5.0. I am a modifier so dollar for dollar I'll achieve a given horsepower goal cheaper and quicker with an old pushrod. I may have to install more parts but the end goal is power for the dollar for me.
If we compare apples to apples. Let's put aluminum heads on a 5.0 like the modulars do. Let's also raise the compression and add freeer flowing intakes and throttle bodies the 4.6 have. Then lets also put 3.27 gears in the cars or even lower like newer modulars have.
I know this is like splitting atoms but pushrods are hp motors. Why do you think GM can have a z06 with a 427 and get 500+hp nat asp. also know down lower emissions and get 30 mpg? Not even 03-04 cobras make that power stock with a blower!
I'm not an engine designer but I can see pushrods weather Ford, GM or Chrysler always make more power then modulars. Sorry, to me a modular was not designed for power. Of course they can make power but any combustion engine can be improved
Pushrods and Modulars will never be apples to apples comaprisons. For that you'd need the same bore and stroke not to mention similar head, intake and cam specs. If all that were equal a mod motor would make more power. Reason being that they use less hp to make power (pushrods and rocker arms eat power). The motors are not the same however so each design has strengths and weaknesses.
ford9050
10-23-07, 10:02 PM
if push rods and rocker arms eat power then why do pushrods make more tq? Also tell me why no one else has strayed away from pushrods? Don't tell me the $$ would cost too much. Pushrods currently make more N/A power then Ford modulars and get better gas mileage
If you gave a mod motor all the items I listed it would make more torque. They don't currently because they are only 281 cubes compared to 302 and they have shorter runner intakes that promote higher rpm power. Not to mention cams that are even more inline with strict emmission standards.
Trust me; the reason GM hasn't switched to overhead cams is tooling and cross pollunation so to speak. Like the mod motors; to pay for the ones in the sports cars you must spread them into the boring cars and trucks. That is a lot of money.
I guess I'm a major dick, I have one of each, and love them both just the same. What can I say they're both 'Stangs. And they're both sweet, IMO.
hospowr
10-29-07, 02:01 AM
5.0s get me after the 1/2 mile but I tear one up in the 1/4 But I run old school 7.0 carburated.
mustangkid05
10-29-07, 01:57 PM
some 5.0 guys are dicks and some arent all depends on the person.......most of them think 5.0>4.6 for some reason lol probably because of the 5.0 is bigger
ford9050
10-29-07, 02:27 PM
well Bigger, more parts avail. cheaper to build
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-29-07, 04:16 PM
i dont understand...why does eveyone think that 5.0 guys are jelous or envious of 4.6's? i dont get it...im lost...ive never been a dick to someone because i have 21 more cubic inches than them...and they can beat my ass...
hospowr
10-29-07, 07:03 PM
only thing that beats cubic inches is cubic dollars!
408 4 Eye
10-29-07, 10:57 PM
Pushrod Power!!!!!!!The only way to make a mod motor crazy fast is to throw a power adder @ it. They dont make squat N/A.
Onesmokin98
10-29-07, 11:38 PM
This one is still going..damn this must be more serious than we thought
SlickStang
10-30-07, 09:47 PM
IF FORD ever makes that 5.0 cammer that they sometimes talk about then this topic is really gonna get interesting!!! LOL
Hell I'm still suprised at some people saying one motor blows the other away. So many variations of either can be built that it is just too bold to say.
91GT347
10-31-07, 08:44 AM
Pushrod Power!!!!!!!The only way to make a mod motor crazy fast is to throw a power adder @ it. They dont make squat N/A.
Normally I would agree 175%. Actually the 5.4 can put down some good numbers N/A...........IF....and its a big if.. You have plenty of cash for things like Ford GT heads,spider style intakes,ect. Most pushrod guys see the 4.6 just like a import. All the power is coming from whatever adder they have on it. Just my opinion.
crimsonblack
10-31-07, 09:27 AM
We can blame Ford for that too. I can't believe they aren't building a powerplant stuff with power BEFORE you throw on the turbo or supercharger.
Chevy and Dodge are building engines with lots of horse power. Ford just dumps a blower on it and calls it a day.
SlickStang
10-31-07, 09:56 AM
We can blame Ford for that too. I can't believe they aren't building a powerplant stuff with power BEFORE you throw on the turbo or supercharger.
Chevy and Dodge are building engines with lots of horse power. Ford just dumps a blower on it and calls it a day.
Well said. :thumbsup: This is the consensus at our house!! Ford will continue to loose market share because of this.
Ford needs a good solid 400HP engine foe the new mustang N/A.
me i love my modular motor. i hope to own a 5.0 one day. ive seen some N/A 4.6s run really good but yea its expensive to do. ive also seen alot of 5.0s run reallyt good. its all personal preference, but at least their all msutangs
Onesmokin98
10-31-07, 01:12 PM
id love a 5.0 motor, but I think i want the cammer one tho
R-code17815
10-31-07, 01:39 PM
After owning a DOHC 4.6, I'll never go back to pushrods. If pushrod motors were so great, the'd still make em. It's just evolution (emissions,power,rpm,ect...) Hell if anyone has been a stang owner for 10 or more years you'd remember when 5.0 parts were just as expensive as 4.6 parts are now. I've owned one form of v8 mustang or another for 16 years now. After I do my heads and cams over winter, I'm looking for 425 at the rear wheels, thats not to shabby for a 281cu.in. N/A.
As far as people being dickheads...probably the same without the car...People hate to lose no matter what, hell I've seen guns pulled after street races..
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG.....LMAO :smiley10:
R-code17815
10-31-07, 01:42 PM
Speed costs money...how fast u wanna go?
Speed costs money...how fast u wanna go?
I won't agree completely with your statements only because I started building 5 liters in the late 80's. Parts were and are not as expensive as mod parts. Trying paying $150 for a cam and $45 for a timing chain. I like mod motors just fine; hell I have and do own one. The point you are missing is it isn't even about cost. It's about being familier.
If you got into the Mustang scene with pushrods like I did then you scraped your knuckles learning all the ways to find power. So building another pushrod is easy and cheaper since you aren't bolting on the parts that don't come through on their promises anymore. With the mods it's the early 90's all over again when parts are concerned. Some work and some promise but fall short. Most people that have attempted to increase power with a mod have fallen short of their goals (not all mind you). Those that give up curse the mod motor; those that succeed praise it.
I keep building pushrods as I have plenty of spare parts to get it back together if it fails and I can tear it down quicker than a mod motor. Not to mention that I get quit a bit of power out of my old pushrod.
R-code17815
10-31-07, 03:05 PM
I've had 4.6's since 97, guess I'm just more familiar with them...
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-31-07, 10:11 PM
Modular FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
:bs:
lol i love my pushrods:headbang: :thumbsup:
ford9050
10-31-07, 10:28 PM
this will end it all..
NHRA? do they use cam's in the heads or anything like that? HELL NO
7000+ hp with only 1 CAM....... = PUSHRODS
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-31-07, 10:34 PM
yup...i think were done here guys...:hi: :thumbsup:
Onesmokin98
10-31-07, 11:17 PM
Yes we all love the top fuel cars, but it doesnt change that fact that its old technology..
love the car, not the engine as long as its a V8
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
10-31-07, 11:28 PM
good point...lets just agree to dissagree....your never gonna make me change to mods...and visa versa...lets just enjoy the stangs...old or new
suddenblink
10-31-07, 11:31 PM
pushrods are so much easier, mods might be more efficient but the oldies can still do very well, I know about that lol.
this will end it all..
NHRA? do they use cam's in the heads or anything like that? HELL NO
7000+ hp with only 1 CAM....... = PUSHRODS
Pick another race class and the reverse can be true. Take formula one for instance. Won't find a pushrod engine there.
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
11-01-07, 07:12 AM
Very true...thats why i dont watch formula one...damn modular pussys...hahahaha jus kiddin jus kiddin dont get all fired up lol thats a good point pete...diffrent strokes for diffrent folks i guess...wonder how much those motors cost in comparison to a nascar motor tho....
I enjoy NASCAR but not the lack of being "stock cars". When the only difference is nose and tail caps it isn't stock. Not to mention the engines make good power but carbs aren't stock on anything anymore.
Also before you talk about an engine in a racing series; look at the rules. You aren't allowed to have overhead cams in NASCAR.
FoxRoddin1990GTx2
11-01-07, 07:22 AM
yeah...i wasnt talking about either engine...they are both great...i was just curious as to how much a formula one motor costs and how much a nascar engine costs bro...not knockin either one...
91GT347
11-01-07, 11:28 AM
Yeah Petes right. Modular parts are alot more expensive tha 5.0 parts ever were. From what I see the price in 5.0 parts are pretty much the same they always have been. Actually I looked at a E303 cam from Summit this morning. It's 176 bucks now. They used to be like 150. Alot of people agree that you cant make a 4.6 run like you can a 5.0. I agree to a certain extent. One problem is heads. How many aftermarket heads are available for a 4.6 ? You can get a set for a 5.0 that bolts on just like stockers that flow over 300 cfm. Onesmokin98 is right. Its old technology. I'd say it can be made just as efficient as a mod motor though. Check the power/fuel economy of a Z06.
ford9050
11-01-07, 12:11 PM
Your right same goes bicycle racing, rc car racing, dog racing ect. they don't have pushrods either
ford9050
11-01-07, 12:14 PM
Pick another race class and the reverse can be true. Take formula one for instance. Won't find a pushrod engine there.
Your right same goes for bicycle racing, rc car racing, dog racing ect. they don't have pushrods either
F1 cars do not use most parts regular engines use
Your right same goes for bicycle racing, rc car racing, dog racing ect. they don't have pushrods either
F1 cars do not use most parts regular engines use
Neither do top fuel cars; so thanks for making my point. Let alone the fuel.
91GT347
11-01-07, 03:51 PM
Then the "old technology" thing. I believe the efficiency of the mod motors is mostly from the ECU,not because its a "mod" motor. Like I said look how efficient the new vettes are. I believe 99% of us pushrod guys dont hate the mod motors because theyre mod motors. Its because most of us just want to go fast. Thats our main objective. Go fast without breaking the bank,or having to spend 4 hours to put a set of headers on. I notice alot of mod motor guys put looks as an equal to speed. Usually they are the younger generation too.You'll also find most of us like the fox body style better, and like to drive daily what alot of people would consider a race car. They also normally do all the work themselves. Some mod motor guys do too,but not nearly as many. With a mod motor,(mainly 2v versions)your very limited. So the 4.6 cost alot more to work on. It takes double the amount of time to do alot of the things to it,if not more,and your limited on how fast your going to be able to go in a N/A form. Those 3 things are totally the opposite of what you want a car you work on alot to be. What I've said does not in any means apply to everyone. There are exceptions to all. This is really just a complete waste of an argument,because there is no wrong or right answer. Its just another Ford vs. Chevy, Big block vs. Small block argument.
ford9050
11-01-07, 06:43 PM
Neither do top fuel cars; so thanks for making my point. Let alone the fuel.
top fuel cars resemble a street engine a lot more then f1 cars. 20000 rpms? No street car can go even close to that 2.4 F1 engines do. They have to to make 700hp
snake I's
11-01-07, 07:20 PM
5.0 VS. 4.6???? LOL...Try Driving a 78 Mustang King Cobra to a local show and having a judge sneer at you and call the car a Pinto.
top fuel cars resemble a street engine a lot more then f1 cars. 20000 rpms? No street car can go even close to that 2.4 F1 engines do. They have to to make 700hp
You crack me up; I still don't see how either engine is close to a street engine. A top fuel car has heads cut from a solid chunk of aluminum, no cooling system and amazingly loose tolerances to tear down quickly. How is that different than an F1 motor that has overhead cams like a mod motor yet has exacting tolerance and is amazingly balanced with lightweight parts to spin to amazing rpm? My point is neither is anywhere near a street motor. The reason top fuel motors are pushrod is the block they have been based loosly on is very tough and the hemi head design works great with nitro methane. Oh and the rules don't allow overhead cams.
Everyone seems to want to say one engine is better than the other. Really need to just accept they are different and build the one you prefer and not worry about the other guy until you line up at the track. Hell I own a couple pushrod motors (mustang and ram) yet I also own a mod motor (lincoln). All motors are great and perform well in their intended uses in my life. The main reason I don't race a mod motor is simple. By the time the decent aftermarket parts for the motor came out I was already far along with my car project and building my car with pushrod power was cheaper. Not to mention that the mod motors I race that make more poer than me still lose since they also weigh more than me.
I love speeches can't you tell.
i like both engines
like pete said(i thn it was pete) theres no real argument here, neither engine is superior. maybe if you look at it one way, but it all comes down to how you want to make your power. you can make a Mod motor fast, but it takes some bucks.
if i was buildin a race car, id rather have a push rod just cuz its cheaper. if cost wasnt an option, then id go with a mod motor jsut to be different. i think mod motors have extreme potential, but like all engines it coems down to how much you want to spend
I drive a 5.0 cause vanilla ice had one in the ice ice baby video.
1baddsg04mach1
12-09-07, 02:57 PM
the 302 is bigger on c.i. but they got to have every bolton to run with the mod cars , im not knockin on the pushrods its just the 99-04 mod motors have more power no matter how u look at it. ive had both and like the mod motor better
408 4 Eye
12-10-07, 10:10 PM
the 302 is bigger on c.i. but they got to have every bolton to run with the mod cars , im not knockin on the pushrods its just the 99-04 mod motors have more power no matter how u look at it. ive had both and like the mod motor betterYou couldnt be any more wrong. You throw every bolton onto a 5.0 and its running low 12's high 11's.N/A You cant do that in a mod motor without a power adder.
91GT347
12-11-07, 08:35 AM
Yeah. 408's right. Ok the 99-04 do have more power stock than the 5.0's did. Thats because theyre advanced 20 years in technology. When the 5.0's came out,they couldnt make them 400 Hp from the factory and still pass emissions and other Gov. regulations. This is really comparing apples to oranges. There is no better one. All depends on the individual and the use of the car as well. You can make either fast,and at a certain power point,they will both break. I personally like the 5.0's as has been said by a few. Theyre half the price,and dont have to use a power adder.
Sir Charles
12-12-07, 06:19 PM
You can build a 281 to get 650HP out of them now a days.
408 4 Eye
12-12-07, 07:13 PM
You can build a 281 to get 650HP out of them now a days.Not without a power adder.How many 10 sec N/A modulars do you see? a Few. How many N/A 9-10 sec pushrod motors do you see? A shitload.
M A T T
12-12-07, 11:03 PM
Not without a power adder.How many 10 sec N/A modulars do you see? a Few. How many N/A 9-10 sec pushrod motors do you see? A shitload.
i was bored tonight.
i read this whole thread.
most of it seemed like it was in spanish to me.
i just wanted you to know i like what andy said the best.
:drunk:
M A T T
12-12-07, 11:04 PM
oh i think Pete knows his shit.
91GT347
12-13-07, 08:58 AM
How about this. If either one is stock..IT SUCKS. Everyone happy with that ? lmao
M A T T
12-13-07, 11:12 AM
^ lmao
M A T T
12-13-07, 11:13 AM
How about this. If either one is stock..IT SUCKS. Everyone happy with that ? lmao
what about specialty cars though? lol
91GT347
12-13-07, 02:03 PM
what about specialty cars though? lol
I assume you mean like Roush or Saleen ? Them too. Just because I would change most of what makes them what they are. Take my car and a 93 Cobra.Since those are similar. Why would I get a cobra if Im changing the heads, cam, intake,ect ect. I'll be much faster (which is MY goal,not everyones) for half the $$. For those that want to collect or just drive them their great. Just not my cup of tea.
darkside03gt
12-29-07, 02:25 AM
I cant believe this thread is stell getting posts. someone lock this bitch or something because this has gotten stupid and too far from my original point. FUCK!!!!!
rightushook
12-29-07, 02:57 AM
Yeah. 408's right. Ok the 99-04 do have more power stock than the 5.0's did. Thats because theyre advanced 20 years in technology. When the 5.0's came out,they couldnt make them 400 Hp from the factory and still pass emissions and other Gov. regulations. This is really comparing apples to oranges. There is no better one. All depends on the individual and the use of the car as well. You can make either fast,and at a certain power point,they will both break. I personally like the 5.0's as has been said by a few. Theyre half the price,and dont have to use a power adder.
im going to have to disagree
apples are not half as good as oranges
i mean they have that chewey skin that if you dont peel off your screwed.
apples can be quite delicious but who wants something that looks like its rusting right after you peel it. But you can put lemon juice, i think to prevent this. Although its a constant battle. apple juice is good too.
On the other hand oranges are orange, they are better tasting and come pre cut it seems. Plus, they are easier to peel by hand than apples. Apples cant take as much of a beating either.
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darkside03gt
12-31-07, 01:40 AM
someone please please make it stop
sprayin93hatch
02-02-08, 05:44 AM
it matters to me because they are pissing me off and i wanted to see if i could start some shit between the 4.6 and 5.0 guys
barkin up the wrong tree dude.
badass03ragtop
02-02-08, 10:18 AM
And what about those of us who either have owned or do own both?? What say you of them??
Dark Kent
02-02-08, 10:23 AM
I drive a 5.0 cause vanilla ice had one in the ice ice baby video.
LOL
94fordf150
02-02-08, 12:13 PM
Let me start off by saying that i know not all 5.0 guys are dicks but lately I've been running into alot of them here in sacramento that are. I blew the doors off one guy with a clean 5.0 and he followed me to the gas station and started talking shit to me claiming i had nitrous and said no 4.6 had ever pulled on him like that :FU: . I tried to tell him that i just had basic bolt ons and didnt even have gears.
I smoked another guy on the way home on the freeway today pulled on him HARD :rockon: and after i slowed down he gave me a flyby and fliped me off WTF? theese are just a few examples of what type of 5.0 guys I've ran into. Very few are cool and it seems like they think they are better then me because I got a mod motor but yet they cant beat me.
Dont get me wrong I love 5.0s and Iam hoping to own one someday Iam just asking what is up with you guys? Cant anyone loose with some style. hell i do.
well shit man i have a 5.0 in my f150 its pretty quick but i like 4.6 they are quick too forsure ford has built several fast 4.6 cars its im fixin to get a 89 mustang and build a 5.0 to put in it i just like 5 liters man when a get a new car im taking the engine out of my f150 and stroking it to a 347 hell ya
already7
02-02-08, 11:41 PM
Awwww fuck it!!!! What the fuck is with all the bickering and yada, yada, yada.....???? This fucking thread is like 10 years old already!!!
I got something for you to chew on!!!!
For every dollar spent on performance on a 4.6, vs. every dollar spent on a 5.0>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollar for dollar in equal amounts to both engines.
I just see the Modular engine coming up short!!!! Because the parts cost more than most people's house!!!! Modular motors are much like Cocaine!!! Their fun if you got the money to just blow. So if every time you fart, a couple of hundred dollar bills pop out of your ass.,. I say why not, but if you don't have hundred dollar bills just popping out of your ass, then the 5.0 remains the best bang for your buck.............................................. .....
NOW LET'S SEE WHERE THIS THREAD GOES!!!!!!:cheers:
suddenblink
02-02-08, 11:49 PM
4.6L is a superior engine BUT it will cost sooooo much more! I'm with you on that. A 5.0l is a cheaper power solution.
already7
02-03-08, 12:47 AM
4.6L is a superior engine BUT it will cost sooooo much more! I'm with you on that. A 5.0l is a cheaper power solution.
That's my point exactly Shammy. Everyone knows that both motors are great engines in the proper perspective. I would love to have a 2000 and up GT or Cobra..... But the dam parts are soooo fricking high that I have to go with a 5.0 and since I have always liked the 5.0's anyway, it's just the best solution for me......
Back to the ORIGINAL point of the whole thread though......
A dickhead is a dickhead no matter what he drives..... Hell he was a fucking dickhead before he even got into the car....
A regular old "Richard Cranium" aka dick, dickhead and so on and so on!!!!!
Is the author of this thread named Richard by chance???? :hi:
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 02:50 AM
Awwww fuck it!!!! What the fuck is with all the bickering and yada, yada, yada.....???? This fucking thread is like 10 years old already!!!
I got something for you to chew on!!!!
For every dollar spent on performance on a 4.6, vs. every dollar spent on a 5.0>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dollar for dollar in equal amounts to both engines.
I just see the Modular engine coming up short!!!! Because the parts cost more than most people's house!!!! Modular motors are much like Cocaine!!! Their fun if you got the money to just blow. So if every time you fart, a couple of hundred dollar bills pop out of your ass.,. I say why not, but if you don't have hundred dollar bills just popping out of your ass, then the 5.0 remains the best bang for your buck.............................................. .....
NOW LET'S SEE WHERE THIS THREAD GOES!!!!!!:cheers:
OK, now here's something for you.
You sound like a Chevy guy!! Seriously, that is not meant to be a slam, and I'll explain. I have been around Mustangs now since my first when I was 13. That's 24 years in case anybody cares. For years, I had to justify to Chevy guys why I built and raced Fords when Chevy SB parts were so much cheaper and you could build a lot more power for less money than it takes to build a Ford. Sound familiar?
From my perspective, bickering within our own ranks, that's all Mustang owners, is a direct result of the lack of direct competition for our beloved steeds, IE the lack of the Pony car wars!
Now, put that in your craw and chew on it for a while!
I think my factory 4.6 has way more potential than any factory 5.0...
already7
02-03-08, 11:58 AM
OK, now here's something for you.
You sound like a Chevy guy!! Seriously, that is not meant to be a slam, and I'll explain. I have been around Mustangs now since my first when I was 13. That's 24 years in case anybody cares. For years, I had to justify to Chevy guys why I built and raced Fords when Chevy SB parts were so much cheaper and you could build a lot more power for less money than it takes to build a Ford. Sound familiar?
From my perspective, bickering within our own ranks, that's all Mustang owners, is a direct result of the lack of direct competition for our beloved steeds, IE the lack of the Pony car wars!
Now, put that in your craw and chew on it for a while!
Owwww! Man why didn't you just poke me in the fucking eye or something? Now I have to be a fucking Chevy guy?:bs: Because I stated a plain and simple fact... Jeez I didn't mean to step on your toes! Ha, ha....
Check the sig....... I drive a FORD, and guess what, it even has a FORD engine in it....:smiley10:
already7
02-03-08, 12:05 PM
I think my factory 4.6 has way more potential than any factory 5.0...
Hell I have seen 9 sec. Volkswagon Bugs......
Potential was never in question. The Modular motor from a stock block to stock block 5.0 build, will hold more horsepower and is like many people have said, a superior engine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if and here's the kicker,,,,,, you have a first born son, a house to put up for mortgage, or just an insane amount of money to dump into it...
M A T T
02-03-08, 12:50 PM
wow this thread aint dead yet?
:lurk:
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 01:20 PM
Owwww! Man why didn't you just poke me in the fucking eye or something? Now I have to be a fucking Chevy guy?:bs: Because I stated a plain and simple fact... Jeez I didn't mean to step on your toes! Ha, ha....
Check the sig....... I drive a FORD, and guess what, it even has a FORD engine in it....:smiley10:
Easy there killer.... I told you it wasn't meant as a slam or poke in the eye for that matter. Re-read the last part of that post without getting defensive about the first part and you'll see what my main point was.
suddenblink
02-03-08, 01:24 PM
Where do the 5.0L cammer guys fit into this mix haha if any are actually out there
already7
02-03-08, 01:35 PM
Easy there killer.... I told you it wasn't meant as a slam or poke in the eye for that matter. Re-read the last part of that post without getting defensive about the first part and you'll see what my main point was.
I was just making light of the situation man..... No harm no foul intended.:smiley10:
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 01:55 PM
^^Roger that!!
And Shammy, the same place as those who have owned or own both, because they have both.
suddenblink
02-03-08, 01:56 PM
Where the the 2.3T people fit? :P
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 01:59 PM
Where the the 2.3T people fit? :P
Uhm, hey, I know you just bought one and all, but **pssst** They don't!! They're total misfits!!!
LOL
suddenblink
02-03-08, 02:01 PM
:lol: There are some really nice 5.0 cars here though. theres actually one in eglin for sale for more than 10K its that nice. I personally like the fox body more than most of the body styles
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 03:50 PM
I personally like the fox body more than most of the body styles
What'ya think about this one?
suddenblink
02-03-08, 03:52 PM
danng, that's clean too
already7
02-03-08, 04:03 PM
What'ya think about this one?
Dammit man the gas tank probably gurgles when you start that beast up!:headbang:
badass03ragtop
02-03-08, 05:47 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot one detail.... 5.8, so it wouldn't fit in here either...LOL
darkside03gt
02-03-08, 10:19 PM
somebody please lock this fucking thread. fuck i started this shit months ago. its gotten stupid. fucking lock it.
badass03ragtop
02-04-08, 04:49 AM
Most people would find it cool to have a thread they started 4 months, 13 pages, and 180 posts still going!!
LOL
Hard to believe it is still going on and people are debating with feelings instead of logic. I've answered these debates scientifically before yet there's always someone that gets offended because the think I'm putting their car down.
91GT347
02-04-08, 08:22 AM
"Damn, this things still going ? " My thought as soon as I saw it on the new post list.
suddenblink
02-04-08, 09:25 PM
Hard to believe it is still going on and people are debating with feelings instead of logic. I've answered these debates scientifically before yet there's always someone that gets offended because the think I'm putting their car down.
I know you are insulting......errr I FEEL that you are insulting me :lol: haha just kiddin
darkside03gt
02-04-08, 09:52 PM
Most people would find it cool to have a thread they started 4 months, 13 pages, and 180 posts still going!!
LOL
ya it is the longest thread I've ever had. But i think its been cooked well done, maybe even burnt a little.
suddenblink
02-04-08, 09:54 PM
Sometimes burnt is good
newstangguy
03-11-08, 07:47 AM
it matters to me because they are pissing me off and i wanted to see if i could start some shit between the 4.6 and 5.0 guys
thats the shit right there, he just wanted to start somethin, i just got a mustang recently always had camaros, stepped into a 5.0 with no internal work all bolt on mods previous owner gave me a timeslip, 7.12 in the 1/8th full interior car, im impressed
stangfreak
04-19-08, 08:52 AM
5.0 guys here are usually really cool. they will wave or start up a conversation. but the S197 guys seem to be snobs, they won't even acknowege a nice 5.0 Mustang. even though i'm partial to 5.0s i love all Mustangs, even the Mustang IIs. i like the turbo 2.3s, i'm not crazy about the V-6ers but i don't put them down. i hate to see fellow stangers bickering amongst eachother when there are plenty of ricers and f-body owners out there to bicker with. just my $.02
revenge of the six
04-19-08, 09:15 AM
respect yourself before y ou wreck yourselfs...
CYBER STANG
04-27-08, 08:04 PM
word 2 your moma
MDMustang410
05-01-08, 05:09 PM
Im with the Mod Guys around here. We have alot of foxes up here and alot of Mods too...But all I ever see when it comes to this subject are the guys with foxes acting like asses. Dont get me wrong some of the Mods do too. Its like if they have a pair of welds on the car they think theyre the shit...KINDA LIKE A KID WITH A CIVIC...HE GETS EXHAUST AND HE THINKS HES THE FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET...LOL
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